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Using East West Quantum Leap Symphonic Orchestra in Ableton? Recently got the gold edition of the EWQLSO library and was wondering how I can use this with ableton (I use version 9)? I'm not too experienced with putting big midi instrument packs into software like this. Goliath by EastWest is a Virtual Instrument Audio Plugin and a Standalone Application. It includes, and is therefore 'powered by', Play, which functions as a VST Plugin, an Audio Units Plugin, a VST 3 Plugin, an AAX Plugin and a Standalone Application.
- GOLIATH is a indispensable tool that you will reach for time and time again when nothing else works, it will become your Swiss army knife of composing, plus it’s GM compatible! You can expect the usual EASTWEST/QUANTUM LEAP exceptional quality in GOLIATH. Even if you own some of these instruments, you will love this collection.
- Colossus by EastWest is a Virtual Instrument Audio Plugin. It includes, and is therefore 'powered by', Kompakt, which functions as a VST Plugin, an Audio Units Plugin, a DirectX Plugin and an RTAS Plugin.
COLOSSUS is the first SUPER HIGH QUALITY complete sound set ever created, and includes 160 instruments (approx. $6 an instrument). Every instrument and sound in the diverse range of demos above comes from COLOSSUS. COLOSSUS is a massive 32 Gigabyte (not Megabyte) Virtual Instrument that covers all of the basic musical genres, the way a keyboard workstation attempts to, except COLOSSUS offers much higher quality instruments and dynamics than any keyboard available today.
COLOSSUS is an indispensable tool that you will reach for time and time again when nothing else works, it will become your Swiss army knife of composing, plus it?s GM compatible! You can expect the usual QUANTUM LEAP exceptional quality in COLOSSUS. Even if you own some of these instruments, you will love this collection.
A good example is the Fender Rhodes. Despite the fact the Rhodes has been sampled many times, COLOSSUS includes a unique vintage sounding Rhodes you won?t find anywhere else. COLOSSUS includes 15 Gigs of new sounds recorded at Ocean Way Studio B (24-bit), a new 2 Gig piano recorded in Europe, and 15 Gigs from the award winning range of QUANTUM LEAP and EASTWEST titles (EW/QL Symphonic Orchestra, EW Steinway B Piano, QL Stormdrum, QL Guitar and Bass, QL 56 Strat, QL Hardcore Bass, QL RA, QL Brass, QL Voices of the Apocalypse), all newly programmed with superior sound quality.
Goliath by EastWest (@KVRAudio Product Listing): Goliath includes over 180 instruments, including drums and percussion, guitars, basses, acoustic and electric pianos, keyboards and mallets, pop brass, orchestral instruments, choirs and vocals, ethnic instruments, new age ensembles, morphing atmospheres, synth basses, synth leads, and synth pads. Features: Produced by Doug Rogers and Nick.
Programming is kept very simple, and programs that utilize the mod-wheel are labeled appropriately. All programs have CC11 as an additional volume control. Many programs utilize auto sample alternation for added realism.
For touring musicians, this is the ultimate instrument to have on the road or in a club. COLOSSUS has incredible instruments of every type (check out the complete list at the bottom of this page), for song-writing, filmscoring, multi-media production, in the studio, or on stage, COLOSSUS is an indespensible production tool that has you completely covered.
Features of the script
NOTE: Delay works when you press the power button shutdown. (Delay ON OFF)
1. The library is fully unlocked ! ! You do not need any installers and kreki . No need to make the preservation of the registry keys . NKI patches completely detached from the LIBRARI – dependent, so that made it difficult to like the Bible, the ground under the shell KOMPAKT. ( I think you understand what it is about )
2. Samples transferred to the library NCW format and packed in containers NKX . Due to this , the size of the library is reduced by almost 2 times .
3. The original library contains about 100 identical patches NKI. Duplicates are removed.
4. Each patch NKI now has a multi-level script! !
5. The library has a file to add to the Library. But in the menu Files patches perfectly open.
6. Conducted a global restructuring of the contents of the folder Instruments
Publisher: East West
Quality: 24 bit 44.1 kHz stereo
System requirements: NI KONTAKT 5.2.1
- Sound Quality
- Ease of use
- Bang for buck
Versions tested: PLAY 1.2.5 and 2.1.1 and 3.0.21
DAW: Cubase 4.5.2 and 5.5.1 and 5.5.3
computer: iMac 2.16 GHz Core2Duo, 3GB RAM
computer 2: MacPro 2.66 GHz Xeon W3520, 12GB RAM
I bought Goliath for $250 (including iLok + shipping) early 2010 when Soundsonline had one of their many 50% off deals. The package arrived promptly and I was brimming with anticipation, thanks to rave reviews and EW’s reputation for great sound. The install took about two hours (6 DVD’s totalling 40GB) and required registering the iLok etc. For some reason the authorization failed and I was unable to use it. Thankfully, EastWest’s e-mail support swiftly replied, they uploaded the auhorization code to my iLok account and I was good to go. Or so I thought.
I started my DAW (Cubase 4.5.2 at the time) to immerse myself in some serious sound exploration, but when I opened an instance of PLAY (Goliath’s engine) Cubase “unexpectedly quit”. After several unsuccessful attempts I tried PLAY in stand-alone mode but fared no better. I managed to open the application but loading sounds would cause it to crash.
Again, EW support was most helpful. They always replied e-mails within 24 hours and did point me to the solution eventually, which turned out to be an updated version of Yamaha Studio Manager. It required some back-and-forth, reinstalling and updating but the issue was resolved so now I could finally go and get inspired.
I have to say that I was not that impressed. Perhaps I expected too much but I found that Goliath is a few miles short of being the all-purpose workhorse it wants to be.
Let’s start with the positives. I like EW’s warm signature sound. The orchestral stuff is definitely a step up from other all-in-ones or hardware workstations, and the included reverb sounds great. The choirs and solo voices are wonderful, too.
Acoustic guitars sound very nice, there is a fairly realistic Lakland bass, decent acoustic drumkits, and some nice pad-like patches. Percussion sounds great too, as do many of the ethnic instruments. The electronic drumkits are a mixed bag, with some of the sounds really knocking and some others sounding dated.
On to the negatives, with the undisputed #1 being the acoustic pianos. They suck. Really. This bit on the soundsonline site correctly states
Perhaps there was a time that the PMI Bosendorfer could be considered great, but it certainly is not now. My hardware keyboards sound better and feel more like instruments, as does the $99 Garritan Steinway Basic.
Likewise, the Rhodes is boring on its own. Maybe someone else could find a use for it, but not me, and I have tried. Clavinets fare no better, and Goliath’s only saving grace for keyboardists is the B3, which is pretty good to my ears. The synthesizer section is mediocre. The aforementioned pad-like patches are fine, but the analog emulations are a waste of space. They could work for some non-critical parts, but PLAY’s inflexible engine and lack of tweakability really kill it as a synth.
I have to say I like the GUI’s looks, but there are some ergonomic flaws. For example, the fact that you can’t input numeric values makes it hard to copy settings. Multi-timbrality is a no-go area, which is tacitly acknowledged by EW as they recommend not to use it and open multiple instances instead.
In both standalone and VST mode I occasionally encounter the following problem: when I load and replace sounds frequently (like when I’m auditioning sounds for a part) some sort of high latency is introduced and it becomes unplayable. Only quitting the instance (or application in standalone) and reopening it resolves this issue. Also, I frequently get 'hanging' notes, nothing a MIDI reset won't fix, but still, my other VI's are not nearly as sensitive to this,
On the upside, when I upgraded to Cubase 5.5.1 PLAY’s performance improved. It is pretty stable now, and appears to run a little leaner, too. After a few months of hassle-free operation I took the plunge and upgraded to PLAY 2.1.1 which immediately caused Cubase to ‘unexpectedly quit’ again. However, recently I installed PLAY 3.0.21 and it really makes a difference. Although my gripes with the UI have not been addressed, it is a major improvement in terms of stability and efficiency. In fairness, these days I rarely encounter problems anymore.
All in all, I am reasonably content with Goliath because I got a good deal, but I would not recommend it. It is not the allrounder EW claims it is and the PLAY engine doesn't always work great on my machines. There are some sounds that I really like and use frequently, but the rest is just sitting there clogging up the hard drive. Had I paid the full amount for it, I would have felt shortchanged.